Post-workout carbs for protein-types?

[erictalmant]

Jul 18, 2009 14:27:59 GMT -5 @hkw said:

I am new to MT and also a protein type (para dom, fast oxi). Obviously the best bet is to determine reaction to foods based on experimentation, but is there a general consensus for protein types on PWO carbs? It seems obvious that, for these types, starchy carb should be avoided in order to maintain or lose bodyfat, but when attempting to gain mass, might the benefits of starchy carbs in eliciting an insulin response and thus sparing amino acids outweigh the shortcomings?

There are two main reasons why I ask this:
1) I have significant doubts about my ability to control all other aspects of my diet, training, etc. as to give me a high degree of scientific confidence in the changes in my body comp as a pure result of PWO starchy carbs
2) Even if carbs make up 30% or less of your total calories, if you are a large-sized person trying to put on mass, that still constitutes a large number of carbs that do not seem practically achievable through the sole consumption of green vegetables and the like.

The only way to know for sure is to fill out the DCR's and find what works best for you. Did you take the advanced MT test through me?

If so, then you should have the DCR in the documents package that I sent you after I sent your results.

It is impossible for me to recommend anything because I have no idea how much activity you do, and what your individual needs are for optimal health. The DCR's will lead you to the answer-eventually.

Most find that they do need a certain amount of starch in most meals-especially those that are consumed after training.

Let me know if this makes sense, and the more information you can share the better.

I actually get by with basically the same meal that I eat at other times during the day for post workout with a few exceptions: I take Ultra Life's Cataplus and Liqui G-Plus after training, and I put honey on my food. Other than that, the meal (for me) is the same basic "structure" as my other meals. I have a high purine meat that is right for my type and that I have no sensitivities to, I then have roughly an ounce of some type of bean or lentil, and then about two fist fulls of mixed vegetables (lima beans, green beans, carrots, corn, peas). My starch comes from the carrots and corn, and then I add the honey.

...but what works for me may not work for you. That is why we have the DCR's!

Actually, there are new DCR's that Bill just gave to us advisors. If anyone wants a copy, then just email me at [e-mail] and put "New DCR's" in the title.

[robwhite]

Eric please email the new DCR to me

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I have recently increased my fat intake to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% of my daily calories. However, doing so has left me with a question. Has anyone found it necessary to find a proper ratio for themselves of the types of fat they consume in a meal (similar to finding the proper protein and fat: carb ratio)? I know as a fast oxidizer that saturated fats are very beneficial for me and should be consumed liberally. But what about in proportion to other fats? Basically what I am asking is has anyone found it necessary to consume a particular ratio of saturated:monounsaturated:polyunsaturated (and even omega 6:omega 3) at each meal? I think that I am finding that if my fat intake from olive oil, nuts/seeds/nut butters, avocadoes, etc. is out of line with my omega 3 consumption, I run into problems, but this is something I have just started experimenting with.

[robwhite]

From reading some work by other authors that have influenced Bill Wolcotts vision of Metabolic Typing (i.e. the HealthExcel system), such as Mary Enig and Guy Schenker, the impression i get is to keep polyunsaturates (PUFAs) as low as possible - i.e just consume a few portions of seeds and nuts here and there, but avoid adding high PUFA vegetable oils where possible. This is because PUFAs are not very stable and oxidise rapidly in the body, generating free-radical damage. For fast oxidisers, they can also increase the oxidation rate, worsening their condition. Some use of high monounsaturate (MUFA) foods and oils is ok such as avocados olives, and extra virgin olive oil, but the emphasis should be on good quality saturates. In terms of using fish oil, a few capsules a day of a good quality product is all that is needed, or if you test as being in an Anabolic Imbalance, you could do what Guy Schenker suggests, which is two days a week take large doses of fish oil (such as a few tablespoons), and then cycle off of it for the rest of the week. This way you can use the fish oil to help address the Anabolic Imbalance without chronic excess oxidation.

Another thing to cinsider is one of the FHCs is protaglandin balance. This is strongly influences by the omega 3: omega 6 ratio in your diet. Alot of people misinterpret this as the need to increase their omega 3's, and they end up consuming large amounts of pure PUFA fish oil. Not good. A better approach would be to lower their omega 6 intake through avoiding most PUFA vegetable oils, and eating better quality meats, fish, dairy, and seafood, which naturally have a good omega 6: omega 3 ratio. Eating too many nuts and seeds can start to throw the ratio out a bit (nuts and seeds to have too many omega 6's in comparison to their omega 3 content), hence its good to just keep nuts and seeds to a handful a day at the most.

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Thank you very much for all the info, Rob. I have been adding MT appropriate nuts/seeds to my meals and was consuming higher levels of fish oil to "make up" for that, but your information has definitely made me reconsider. It just shows me how dynamic the MT process is. It also makes me want to explore the works of those that have influenced Bill Wolcott and MT. Thanks!

[robwhite]

Just to clarify, i'm NOT saying dont eat seeds or nuts, or use fish oil. I'm just saying dont go overboard on them.

[erictalmant]

Very well put guys! Excellent exchange of information!