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Post by robwhite on May 25, 2009 14:28:24 GMT -5
As a protein-type (parasympathetic dominant), i'm wondering about the importance of carbs post-workout. I have been playing around with some of the carbs on my recommedned food list, like sweet potato, squash, corn,etc. and it seems i can take it or leave it - i.e after training these carb foods dont really seem to have a positive or negative effect on my metabolism or emotional state. Therfore, should i take them anyway after training (Sheiko-style powerlifting) for the purposes of refilling muscle glycogen?
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Post by erictalmant on Jun 1, 2009 7:48:58 GMT -5
As a protein-type (parasympathetic dominant), i'm wondering about the importance of carbs post-workout. I have been playing around with some of the carbs on my recommedned food list, like sweet potato, squash, corn,etc. and it seems i can take it or leave it - i.e after training these carb foods dont really seem to have a positive or negative effect on my metabolism or emotional state. Therfore, should i take them anyway after training (Sheiko-style powerlifting) for the purposes of refilling muscle glycogen? What have you learned from this? Did ANYTHING change? Did your training results change? Did your recovery change? Did your weight or body fat change? Did you experience any food cravings-not necessarily right away, but at any other time throughout the day? WHAT CHANGED-if anything-when you ate like this? Be astute and investigative, and get back to us... |
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Post by robwhite on Jun 1, 2009 8:06:57 GMT -5
Actually, after a few weeks of cutting the sweet potato after training out, i did notice my general recovery and soreness slightly worsen as the sessions went on. For the first 10 days it wasnt noticeable, but then i started to feel a build up in fatigue and soreness, although it wasnt a massive change. I'm adding them back in next week and will post back to see if there was recovery improvements again.
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Post by erictalmant on Jun 10, 2009 8:19:35 GMT -5
Actually, after a few weeks of cutting the sweet potato after training out, i did notice my general recovery and soreness slightly worsen as the sessions went on. For the first 10 days it wasnt noticeable, but then i started to feel a build up in fatigue and soreness, although it wasnt a massive change. I'm adding them back in next week and will post back to see if there was recovery improvements again. Now you are doing Metabolic Typing(R)! So, the next question you need to answer was whether this reaction is specific to the sweet potato. or could it be replicated or even improved with another starchy carbohydrate? Keep us posted! |
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Post by robwhite on Jun 10, 2009 11:23:28 GMT -5
Well, because i have a number of intolerances (grains and beans esp.) and my food list is for protein types, my significant carb sources are fairly limited to a few high starch veg. I tried corn and that does not agree with me at all - it passes through me almost completely undigested. That leaves carrots, green peas, and artichoke hearts (which unfortunately i have to get tinned), which i know i am fine with, but the carb content is much lower than sweet potato, and also rutabaga and swede, but i've tried these last two before and they are pain to prepare, esp. after a hard workout!
I will try switching to a lowest carb option from this list like artichoke hearts post-workout for 10 days and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 6:57:52 GMT -5
I go with whole milk mixed in with double cream, for me that works a lot better than trying to get "carbs" down me although I'm aware that milk has some carbs in it. After this I just eat a normal meal which for me is protein/fat based with a few carbs in the form of veg. I've got leaner/more muscular through this approach.
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Post by robwhite on Jun 16, 2009 11:46:53 GMT -5
Hey mark. Yeah i used to love drinking whole Jersey (gold top) milk and cream, but i became pretty intolerant of dairy a while back (about the same time i because intolerant of grains and most pulses) so unfortunately icant drink it any more. Interestingly, i can tolerate the occasional piece of RAW cows cheese (gruyere is my fave), or organic feta or goats cheese.
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Post by joeldibattista on Jun 17, 2009 0:42:45 GMT -5
I miss that gold top Jersey milk.  |
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Post by robwhite on Jun 17, 2009 4:57:48 GMT -5
you can still buy it in the big UK supermarkets
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Post by erictalmant on Jun 17, 2009 8:43:05 GMT -5
Hey mark. Yeah i used to love drinking whole Jersey (gold top) milk and cream, but i became pretty intolerant of dairy a while back (about the same time i because intolerant of grains and most pulses) so unfortunately icant drink it any more. Interestingly, i can tolerate the occasional piece of RAW cows cheese (gruyere is my fave), or organic feta or goats cheese. I basically do what Mark does; only I use goat milk instead of cow's milk. Have you tried that? I usually eat a MT appropriate meal, then about 30 minutes out from training I have some goat milk with coconut milk and sometimes even some coconut ice cream with it (depending upon the programming). I then have more of the goat milk/coconut milk throughout my training based on how I feel. Sometimes I need more, sometimes I need less, and sometimes I only need water. Once I am done training, I usually have another MT appropriate meal with my anabolic supplements. |
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Post by robwhite on Jun 17, 2009 9:24:24 GMT -5
Goats milk and coconut milk - that sounds like a great idea! Last time i had goats milk in Spain, i quite liked it. With coconut milk, I presume you are talking about the stuff in tins? That seems to be the only type of coconut milk readily available in the UK. The thought of coconut ice cream sounds awesome, but does it have any cows dairy in it?
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Post by joeldibattista on Jun 18, 2009 1:38:21 GMT -5
you can still buy it in the big UK supermarkets Yeah I used to get it at Somerfields - no longer live in the UK. |
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Post by erictalmant on Jun 24, 2009 8:13:26 GMT -5
Goats milk and coconut milk - that sounds like a great idea! Last time i had goats milk in Spain, i quite liked it. With coconut milk, I presume you are talking about the stuff in tins? That seems to be the only type of coconut milk readily available in the UK. The thought of coconut ice cream sounds awesome, but does it have any cows dairy in it? Two options for coconut milk: crack one open and get it that way, or yes-the milk in the tins. Since I don't eat hardly anything out of tins, as soon as I buy the coconut milk I open it up and put it in a glass container. I understand it is in a tin, but sometimes we have to be practical. The coconut ice cream DOES NOT have any cow's dairy in it. You can go to www.coconutbliss.com to find out more. |
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Post by robwhite on Jun 24, 2009 8:19:26 GMT -5
Cheers for clearing that up Eric. I will try the tinned stuff for practicality, but as soon as I open it transfer it straight to another container. That Coconut Bliss ice cream looks awesome. Damn, I want ice cream NOW  They aren’t available in the UK, but I might have a go at making my own |
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Post by erictalmant on Jul 8, 2009 16:00:43 GMT -5
I polished off a pint of it on Thursday night last week before my competition!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 14:27:59 GMT -5
I am new to MT and also a protein type (para dom, fast oxi). Obviously the best bet is to determine reaction to foods based on experimentation, but is there a general consensus for protein types on PWO carbs? It seems obvious that, for these types, starchy carb should be avoided in order to maintain or lose bodyfat, but when attempting to gain mass, might the benefits of starchy carbs in eliciting an insulin response and thus sparing amino acids outweigh the shortcomings?
There are two main reasons why I ask this:
1) I have significant doubts about my ability to control all other aspects of my diet, training, etc. as to give me a high degree of scientific confidence in the changes in my body comp as a pure result of PWO starchy carbs
2) Even if carbs make up 30% or less of your total calories, if you are a large-sized person trying to put on mass, that still constitutes a large number of carbs that do not seem practically achievable through the sole consumption of green vegetables and the like.
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Post by robwhite on Jul 20, 2009 5:31:21 GMT -5
Welcome. You basically have the same profile as me!
In terms of overall level of carb consumption, even though you are para dominant, fast oxidiser, the level of carbs you need will be different to me, as with every other para dominant, fast oxidiser on the planet. Remember, the macros percentages suggested in your MT literature are only a very rough guideline! You need to use the DCR sheets to track your reactions to each meal, and use the ideas given in your MT documents to tinker with each meal until you get it right so that each meal leaves you satisfied physically and mentally for a number of hours after eating it. This is likely to involve increasing / decreasing carbs, and simultaneously decreasing / increasing fat and protein respectively. Personally, i do well with only about 10-15% carbs in my diet.
In terms of PWO, i have found that a small amount of low GI carbs from starchy veg / tubers recommended on my diet plan (sweet potato, chard, etc.) works OK, although i can do just as well without it most of the time. The only time i ever consume carbs like this PWO is if my training volume is very high, or my bodyweight needs to increase. There is some scientific literature to show that both insulin sensitivity and glycogen synthase increase PWO for a few hours, so it is quite a good time to get in some carbs if you want / need them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2009 11:54:33 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, Rob, what does your fat intake look like with carbs only being 10-15%?
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Post by robwhite on Jul 21, 2009 12:40:14 GMT -5
At a guess, about 60%
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Post by erictalmant on Jul 22, 2009 17:47:42 GMT -5
I know my daily fat intake is at or over 50% of my total caloric intake.
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They aren’t available in the UK, but I might have a go at making my own