Foods high in pyruvate not good for fast oxidisers

[robwhite]

I've been looking into Guy Schenkers approach to metabolic typing last few weeks, and i noticed something that struck me as being odd is that he recommends 'glucogenic-dominant' (almost the same concept as fast-oxidisers in Wolcotts and Kristal's system - i will explain this in a bit*) individuals should not eat onions or tomatos. After looking into unique compounds in these foods, i think i know why - they are foods that are relatively high in pyruvic acid, which speeds up glycolysis. Anything that speeds up glycolysis would make carbohydrate oxidation even faster, and thus fast-oxidisers / glucogenic - dominant people even worse.

* To explain what i meant earlier, this is taken from a very interesting little article here www.bodye.com/reports/Wolcott%20And%20Metabolic%20Typing.htm

"What Wolcott and Kristal call “fast and slow oxidizers Nutri-Spec knows as GLUCOGENIC and KETOGENIC. (We have explained several times over the years in NUTRI-SPEC LETTERS, etc. why “fast and slow oxidizers” is a misnomer, totally misses the essence of the imbalance, and is misleading to Doctors and their patients who try to work with these confusing terms. Þ GLUCOGENIC and KETOGENIC imbalances have nothing to do with the rate of oxidation. (These terms were originally used by the hair analysis people who totally misinterpreted Watson’s work which they “borrowed.”) What is fast and slow about GLUCOGENIC and KETOGENIC patients is the rate at which they clear glucose from the serum.)

Regarding Wolcott’s Oxidative Type model: The picture will be more clear if you think of GLUCOGENIC patients not as excess oxidizers of carbohydrate (since many of them do not oxidize excess carbohydrate – they convert it to body fat), but as deficient oxidizers of fat. Similarly, think of KETOGENIC patients as deficient oxidizers of carbohydrate, not excessive oxidizers of fat."

[erictalmant]

Slow oxidation produces alkalinity and requires a certain "group" of foods and nutrients to balance body chemistry.

Fast oxidation produces acidity and requires another "group" of foods and nutrients to balance body chemistry.

This is the essence of what Bill Wolcott discovered in 1983 and thus his groundbreaking "Dominance" in regards to human metabolism.

When looking at a particular food, there are many things that come into play when determining how it will react within the body. Potassium, magnesium, chromium, folic acid, etc.

Excellent research!

[robwhite]

I've been experimenting with onions and tomatos in my diet, and for me, a fast oxidiser, parasympathetic dominant, they definately give me a bit of a loss of energy after about 30 minutes of eating them, and i feel hungry again. The sugar content cannot explain it, as they are fairly negligable in carb content, so maybe Schenker is right.

However, these are very healthy foods to eat, so i played around with them a bit to see if theres a way to eat them without this problem, and it seems if you mix them with heavier pruine meats and vegetables it counteracts the problem. For example, eating a few scallions with avocado and lamb (both high fat, high purine foods) seems to not cause any problems.

[erictalmant]

Aug 12, 2009 12:17:27 GMT -5 robwhite said:

I've been experimenting with onions and tomatos in my diet, and for me, a fast oxidiser, parasympathetic dominant, they definately give me a bit of a loss of energy after about 30 minutes of eating them, and i feel hungry again. The sugar content cannot explain it, as they are fairly negligable in carb content, so maybe Schenker is right.

However, these are very healthy foods to eat, so i played around with them a bit to see if theres a way to eat them without this problem, and it seems if you mix them with heavier pruine meats and vegetables it counteracts the problem. For example, eating a few scallions with avocado and lamb (both high fat, high purine foods) seems to not cause any problems.

When any of us eats a meal, it is the totality of the meal that will result in an alkaline, acidic, or neutral pH push. You have proven this to be the case with your experiment.

However, remember that labeling something as a "healthy food" is always going to be relative to the individual and not to a group or population.

A healthy food is something that pushes body chemistry in the right direction (towards balance) and does not tick off the immune system. For some, onions and tomatoes are healthy foods. For me, they are kryptonite.

Eric