what would you guys do?

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...if you where in the situation where you´d have to train two days in a row, at least most weeks?
The benching is not my main concern, i´m worried about the SQ/DL.
I´m thinking either leaving out the deadlift or seriously reducing the volume of it.

[davebates]

Feb 9, 2010 9:55:43 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

...if you where in the situation where you´d have to train two days in a row, at least most weeks?
The benching is not my main concern, i´m worried about the SQ/DL.
I´m thinking either leaving out the deadlift or seriously reducing the volume of it.

I would reduce the max of one of the lifts. This way you still train the motion. Plan "B" could be, reduce the max for the squat on the first session, do the deadlift session as planned, use the correct max for the final squat session of the week.

[Deleted]

Do you mean reduce the the calculated max on, say, the DL and keep the percentage and number of lifts as written in the program (37)?
By how much would you reduce it? 10-15%? maybe even 20%?

[benburgess]

To be honest, id just get on with it.

I think you could train sq and DL in back to back days if you had your mind set on it. The problem i would see would be more like the bench...

Doing say 80% for 5x3 one day then a huge volume pyramid the next day would probably be tough on the 2nd day.

I like Dave's 'Plan B' too.

[Deleted]

I´m leaning more towards "plan a" less numbers to crunch...
Ben, what would you suggest for the bench, then?

[davebates]

Feb 9, 2010 15:23:25 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

Do you mean reduce the the calculated max on, say, the DL and keep the percentage and number of lifts as written in the program (37)?
Yes.. I think your upper body will be ok because the muscle groups are small.

By how much would you reduce it? 10-15%? maybe even 20%?
Your going to half to go by feel here, I would start with 10% and go from there. I think I would try to reduce the deadlift max first and see how my body reacts.

[benburgess]

Feb 10, 2010 10:10:50 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

I´m leaning more towards "plan a" less numbers to crunch...
Ben, what would you suggest for the bench, then?

Plan a = crunch numbers for one sq session

Plan b = crunch numbers for one DL session

Seems about the same to me matey.

For bench, personally, on the back to back sessions i would do the 1st day all off boards and the 2nd day full ROM i think that would work, but it would be better for equipped lifters, dont know if you use a shirt...

[Deleted]

hmm...maybe i´m not reading it right, Ben. (English is not my first language, so thats very plausible)

Good idea with the bench and, yes, i will be using a shirt at some point.

Let me get it straigt, you suggest using shirt on the full ROM days and no shirt but boards the other days, all with the same max?

[davebates]

Feb 10, 2010 15:50:32 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

hmm...maybe i´m not reading it right, Ben. (English is not my first language, so thats very plausible)

Good idea with the bench and, yes, i will be using a shirt at some point.

Let me get it straigt, you suggest using shirt on the full ROM days and no shirt but boards the other days, all with the same max?

Forget the shirt for a moment,
Day 1 bench "normal"
Day 2 bench with board.
remember, you said no rest for the bench between day 1 and day 2.
Full range 2 days in a row might be too hard on the body.

[joeldibattista]

Do you squat and deadlift in equipment?

[Deleted]

Hey Joel. Yes i do, i´ve got a few full gear squat only competitions during this year (it´s a team thing) so that is my main objective, but i want to try and get 1 or 2 full meets in as well.

A lot of great ideas on here.
You guys are the best.

[benburgess]

Feb 10, 2010 19:47:44 GMT -5 davebates said:

Feb 10, 2010 15:50:32 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

hmm...maybe i´m not reading it right, Ben. (English is not my first language, so thats very plausible)

Good idea with the bench and, yes, i will be using a shirt at some point.

Let me get it straigt, you suggest using shirt on the full ROM days and no shirt but boards the other days, all with the same max?

Forget the shirt for a moment,
Day 1 bench "normal"
Day 2 bench with board.
remember, you said no rest for the bench between day 1 and day 2.
Full range 2 days in a row might be too hard on the body.

yes David! This is what I was suggestin John. So your week would look like-

Tuesday
Sq based off (max - 15%)
Normal full ROM bench

Wednesday
DL based off true max
All benching off 2 or 3 board (using 2/3 board max)

Saturday
Sq based off true max
Full ROM bench either raw or eqp


How's that look?

[Deleted]

Man! you guys really put some thougt into this, it´s very much appreciated.

To keep it simple i´m thinking i´ll keep the equipped max for the squat on both days, it´s the most important one for now, and reduce the UNequipped deadlift max by 10%
As far as the bench, maybe i´ll use an easy unequipped max and assume that my 2/3 board max is about 5% above that. Wadda ya think?

[Deleted]

oh..and hold the shirt for now

[Deleted]

Ill jump in with my thoughts here as i often have to train Wednesday then Thurdsay.

While it definately makes the Bench hard due to no recovery i just find that you really need to stretch and warmup very well. Once you do that you can just push on and work through the pain.
Keep in your mind you will now have 3 days to recover so that thought alone can get you through. As with everything mindset is key.

I actually found doing this may have improved my bench long term because it really hits the muscle group hard. Then after 3 days your very fresh ready for heavy squats monday.

I never struggled with squats the day after deadlift except for shoulder/trap pain.

[Deleted]

Thanks aaronhawkins... yeah the shoulders, they´ll take a beating this way.
Do you have a lot of Sheiko/high volume experience? I do NOT, thats why i´m not diving head first into it, don´t wanna have to quit half way. I have 2 weeks to make up my mind on what to do, from then on it´s 12 weeks then a squat comp. and then 11 weeks and another squat comp. no time for a break. So i really want to think this through

[benburgess]

Feb 11, 2010 17:24:53 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

Man! you guys really put some thougt into this, it´s very much appreciated.

To keep it simple i´m thinking i´ll keep the equipped max for the squat on both days, it´s the most important one for now, and reduce the UNequipped deadlift max by 10%
As far as the bench, maybe i´ll use an easy unequipped max and assume that my 2/3 board max is about 5% above that. Wadda ya think?

I'd always sq raw one day and eqp another John, in your case I'd go raw day 1 and eqp day 3.

I'd also use your true max on bench and estimate that, for me, 2/3 board max = raw bench + 10%

[Deleted]

guess that´s what i´ll do then
thanks for helping out.

BONUS QUESTION: Do you use equipment on all days when doing 32 (or any comp. cycle)?

[benburgess]

Feb 12, 2010 8:39:37 GMT -5 @johnsmedemark said:

guess that´s what i´ll do then
thanks for helping out.

BONUS QUESTION: Do you use equipment on all days when doing 32 (or any comp. cycle)?

I dont mate no.

I use the bench shirt for one of the 3 bench sessions, the DL suit on full ROM DLs and the squat suit for one of the 2 sq sessions.

Others might do it different

[joeldibattista]

I would do this:-

Day 1 - Shirted bench, equipped squat, raw squat or bench

Day 3 - Equipped Deadlift, raw bench pyramid

Day 4 - Squat with wraps, board work