And Here...We...Go..Input needed!!!

[erictalmant]

Hello everyone.

Starting Monday and lasting for 2 weeks, I will be in a super loading phase of training. Basically, it is 2X a day training and pretty brutal.

I am working with Bill (Wolcott) on many ways to try and recover as best I can throughout this time.

A few supplements that I am considering taking are: ashwaghanda, phosphatidylserine, and rhodiola rosea.

Rob and a few others have mentioned using rhodiola rosea with good success when training was really tough. I suspect it is because of the impact that rhodiola can have on cortisol production.

Has anyone else ever used anything else under extreme physical conditions and positively found them to work? I have used rhodiola and phosphatidylserine before; but I can't recall using them during a period of loading such as what I will be undertaking. I have done training similar to what we will start on Monday; but I was always preoccupied with the basics: fine tuning my diet, making extensive use of the available anabolic foods, using different recovery modalities (massage, baths, autogenic training, detox procedures, etc.).

Addition of any of these supplements will be a new venture for me, so any input would be greatly appreciated!

Eric

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Eric,
Cant' help you out on that, haven't experimented with any of those supplements although I've heard good things on all of them. If I remember correctly, I think Poliquin has suggested the use of all of those.....maybe look into his recommendations?

On a side note, have you experimented/used BCAA's or other amino's (arginine) for recovery purposes?

Thanks, jared

[robwhite]

Hey Eric, be careful with the phos serine. I was takign about 3g in the morning when i dabbled with it years ago, and it suppressed my cortisol so much i couldnt wake up in the mornings. Its a VERY potent cortisol suppressor. In the evenings i imagine it would be fine, but i would not take it during the day or before training.

[erictalmant]

This is what we are kicking around right now:

Upon waking: 1 cap Rhodiola Rosea

Post workout-AM session: 600-800 mg Phosphatidyl Serine

1 hour prior to bed: Ashwaghanda: 500 mg up to 1 gram.

**Still debating what I may take-if anything-after the PM training session. Intensity and volume are both higher in the PM session.

I will also increase my DHEA, Progesterone, and Pregnenolone dosages during these 2 weeks. I am also considering radically incrasing my Cata Plus/Liqui G Plus supplementation to 1 cap and 10 drops per meal all day long. I usually do this in competition (take the Cata Plus and Liqui G Plus all day with every meal) and it has served me well in the past.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

[erictalmant]

Hey Gang.

So far so good. I broke records in all 3 disciplines on Monday, and then came back and did it again on Wednesday.

My attitude and spirits are good right now. My IT band aches, but usually by this point-even in the first week-I would be expressing more fatigue; both physically as well as mentally.

Let's see how Friday goes...

[robwhite]

Great stuff Eric!

You recently told me you were taking 2 drops of DHEA, 2 of progesterone, and 1 pregnenolone 3X a day. May i ask, what have you increased it to?

Also, did you increase the cataplus and liqui-G? What did you increase it to?

Any problems with the herbs or the phos. serine?

[erictalmant]

smart-drugs.net/Rhodiola-rosea.htm

[erictalmant]

Nov 20, 2009 10:02:18 GMT -5 robwhite said:

Great stuff Eric!

You recently told me you were taking 2 drops of DHEA, 2 of progesterone, and 1 pregnenolone 3X a day. May i ask, what have you increased it to?

Also, did you increase the cataplus and liqui-G? What did you increase it to?

Any problems with the herbs or the phos. serine?

All this week I have used 6 drops of DHEA, 6 progesterone, and 6 pregnenolone 3X a day for a total of 18 drops of each per day.

Yes, I take (1) Cataplus and (10) drops of Liqui-G each time I eat-which is 5 or 6 times a day.

So far so good with the herbs and PS.

One of the main symptoms I have had this week is that I am not able to sleep more than 6 or so hours at night. When I go to bed around 10:30p, and I am usually wide awake by 5am.

[erictalmant]

Thank God for the addition of Zymomin

It is king of the proteolytic enzymes and better than any pain reliever. Works wonders!

I broke personal records on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday last week.

Eric

[robwhite]

I read one of Dr Howells books on enzymes a while back and some of the research results on pain releif were amazing ( i beleive Wobenzyme was the formula he talked about), so i can beleive it.

Are you using any sleep supplementation to deal with the sleep problem Eric.

[erictalmant]

Ok Guys.

I would consider this last week (week 2 of 2 of Super Loading) a success. I once again broke training records on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I have upped my training squat max 10 pounds in two weeks. At the level I am at, that is quite an "improvement"; if you will.

No doubt that the increase of up to 30 a day of Zymomin helped with muscle pain and soreness. When I increased it to that level this week, I simply felt better.

I continued to incorporate the ashwaghanda, phosphatidylserine, and rhodiola rosea all throughout. I took one capsule of rhodiola in the morning with my first meal, and 600 mgs of PS during every training session (twice a day) at the 45 minute mark. If it was a non-training day then I would take 400 mgs on an empty stomach in the morning. I took 2 caps of ashwaghanda on an empty stomach about 30 minutes or so from bed.

I increased hormone intake to 6 drops of each DHEA, Progesterone, and Pregnenolone. I took 1 cap of Cataplus and 10 drops of Liqui G Plus at every meal for two weeks-in addition to my other supplements.

I used Traumeel oinment 2X a day on the sore areas on non-training days and 3X a day on training days. I would ice and then do heat on the sore areas immediately after training.

Finally, I also radically increased my dose of Mucosa Max (for the mucosal barrier) from 2X a day to 5X a day. I took 1 cap roughly 15-30 minutes before every meal.

Here is the kicker: not only am I stronger, but I am up 2 pounds (from 166 to 168) since two weeks ago. I guess we will see what happens with that additional two pounds...

Eric

[erictalmant]

Hey gang.

If you want more information about "controlling" cortisol for athletic applications, then I would suggest contacting Sam Visnic through his web site www.endmybackpain.com/

He helped me with my aforementioned protocol.

Eric

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Hello Eric Im a FO dominant as well and I workout 6 days a week. I tried cataplus/liquiG as an experiment today for the first time and it lowered my sugar forcing me to eat a ton of carbs to prevent hypoglycemia. I only used 1 serving of each pre/post workout. I think the potassium, botin and coQ10 is what caused the lowering of the sugar effect. Has this happened to you yet???

[Deleted]

How do you know it lowered your blood sugar?

I take both supplements regularly and have never had that effect, though I suppose it does seem to increase my appetite.

Based off of comments you have made in the past, you seem to respond quickly and strongly to things you ingest. When you say 1 serving, you mean 1 capsule and 10 drops? Perhaps you should stick to anabolic foods.

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I've very in tune with my body as it sends me clear signals when something is wrong. I felt a very slight shortness of breath and slight trembling-(adrenalin release to raise the sugar) both which subsided when I ate a ton of carbs. The symptoms remain untill the supplements are eliminated from my body. In the mean time I have to eat like a vegan untill my body comes back to normal.

I took 1 cap of cata and 10 drops pre workout and then 1 cap and 10 more drops post workout. Mabie it was to much in a short amount of time. Do you guys normally take it pre and post workout???

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I kinda had a feeling it was going to happen because it happens whenever I experiment with random new supplements that aren't necessarily right for my type. I was espcially cautious of the potassium, coq10 and biotin content-all of which have gave me issues in the past as far as supplementation.

I also think I already have very strong tendacy towards the anabolic dominant type because I eat high cholesterol organ meats so I get plenty of sterols. Since eating brain and other organ meats as well as doing a lot of energy work my nervous/endocrine system is so strong that working out,,, even hard,,, feels like walking in the park. Im training to run professional track if the lord willing. I tried the supplement as an "experiment" thinking it would help but apparently its not for me. If anyone here want's my supply I will sell it to you 1/2 price but you must also pay shipping. I only used it once and will not be using it again. I'm also currently enrolled in the adviser course.

[robwhite]

The original purpose for cataplus and liqui-g plus was to deal with catabolic / aerobic imbalance. I think using it for sport applications is purely experimental and may not work for all people engaging in anaerobic sports.

I personally used both for a couple of months after training but TBH i idint feel they did much for me, and i didnt feel comfortable with using supplements to push anaerobic because in Dr Revici's work he showed that anerobic cellular environment was a good startr for tumours, so i discontinued them

[Deleted]

Walcott pushes them for sport performance purposes but I agree, I haven't really felt much from them lifting wise. As they say however, supplements only help give you that extra edge once everything else is correct, and I still don't think I have found a workout style that fits me.

Still, I will try to continue using the last couple of bottles (they were on sale and I couldn't resist!). I've always taken them after working out, perhaps they will have a greater affect taking them before. I'll give that a shot next week and then throw in my last two cents on the subject later.

[robwhite]

I found taken before training they caused hypoglycaemic symptoms half-way through training. Eric said he also found this, probably because many of the ingredients stimulate fast-oxidation.

[Deleted]

Thats exactly what I posted lol the cataplus caused hypoglycemia. WHen I used it I didnt use it with oxi-com though. From past experience if you use Acetyl L carnitine it will prevent hypoglycemia no matter what other supplements you use. Oxi-c 2 contains Acetly L carnitine so I assume if you take that with cataplus it may prevent the low sugar.

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