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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 14:36:14 GMT -5
Eric,
You have mentioned several times that you can look up specific supplement ingredients to see how they might affect a certain metabolic type. Is that information available to people that have taken the MT Test?
For example if there was a particular product I was interesting in I could look up each ingredient instead of asking you.
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Post by robwhite on Oct 9, 2009 5:12:41 GMT -5
Doug, this is something i have pondered. It would be really useful for MT clients to be able to see a list of supplements that the MT community has researched and found to be better suited for certain metabolic types or not. The MT advisors should be realistic in that clients will dabble with supplements not on their recommedned list, esp. in the case with athletes, so a useful reference list of OK's / avoids would be good. Of course, i understand that: a) The recommendations would be very general, and clients need to understand that their own INDIVIDUAL reactions to supplements need to be monitored, just as they do with food. Just because a supplement might be on the list as 'OK' for your metabolic type, it might not be good for you as a person ; b) Such a list would not be definitive, as there are more and more supplements coming out all the time and it would be impossible to be totally up to date with them, but i get the impression that there has been alot of research in this going back to the early 1900's from pre-metabolic typing pioneers like George Watson and Francis Pottinger right the way through to present day with people like Bill Wolcott, Guy Schenker, Laura Power, and Harold Kristal, with stuff by George Watson, Emanuel Revici, and William Kelley in between. In fact, if you look around you can find quite alot of stuff out there in MT-related texts. There is an article on Watson which lists some stuff recommended for different Oxidative metabolic types www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/Articles/MetabolicTyping.htm . Kelley's original book on Metabolic types gives guidelines for supplements for different ANS types. Laura Power's site gives supplement recommenations for different Endocrine types www.biotype.net/types/. Eric has a document about supplements for Anabolic / Catabolic types basd on Revici's work. Schenker's, Kristal's and Wolcott's books give some recommendations of supplements for many different FHC imbalances. |
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Post by erictalmant on Oct 12, 2009 9:29:24 GMT -5
Eric, You have mentioned several times that you can look up specific supplement ingredients to see how they might affect a certain metabolic type. Is that information available to people that have taken the MT Test? For example if there was a particular product I was interesting in I could look up each ingredient instead of asking you. I can try posting some of that information right here, Doug. Here are the genres that we have data for thus far: Some Common Medications Vitamins Minerals Some Amino Acids If you think any of these would be helpful then let me know and I can try to post what I have here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 14:03:41 GMT -5
I can try posting some of that information right here, Doug. Here are the genres that we have data for thus far: Some Common Medications Vitamins Minerals Some Amino Acids If you think any of these would be helpful then let me know and I can try to post what I have here. I am most interested in 3 of the 4 Vitamins Minerals Some Amino Acids Thanks Eric. |
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Post by robwhite on Oct 13, 2009 4:36:53 GMT -5
Eric, You have mentioned several times that you can look up specific supplement ingredients to see how they might affect a certain metabolic type. Is that information available to people that have taken the MT Test? For example if there was a particular product I was interesting in I could look up each ingredient instead of asking you. I can try posting some of that information right here, Doug. Here are the genres that we have data for thus far: Some Common Medications Vitamins Minerals Some Amino Acids If you think any of these would be helpful then let me know and I can try to post what I have here. That would be great! |
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Post by erictalmant on Oct 21, 2009 8:15:36 GMT -5
I can try posting some of that information right here, Doug. Here are the genres that we have data for thus far: Some Common Medications Vitamins Minerals Some Amino Acids If you think any of these would be helpful then let me know and I can try to post what I have here. That would be great! Let me check with Bill to see if he is okay with me posting some of this. Much of this information is given to us in MT advisor memos. I don't think it is intended to be "secret"; but I just want to be sure. Fast Oxidizers need: Vitamin A, B3, B5, B12, Vit C (ascorbate), E, Bioflavonoids, choline, inositol, calcium, phosphorous, zinc, iodine, isoleucine, leucine, phenylalanine, tyrosine. Slow Oxidizers need: B1, B2, B3 (niacin), B6, biotin, Vit C (ascorbic acid), D, folic acid, PABA, chromium, copper, iron, magnesium, manganese, potassium, vanadium, glutamic acid, histidine, proline, serine. Sympathetics need: B1, B2, B3 niacin, B6, biotin, C, choline, folic acid, inositol, K, PABA, pantethine, chromium, magnesium, manganese, potassium, silica, vanadium, alanine, arginine, isoleucine, leucine, ornithine, serine. Parasympathetics need: A, B3, B5, B12, C (calcium ascorbate), E, bioflavonoids, calcium, phosphoroous, zinc, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, phenylalanine, tyrosine. |
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Post by robwhite on Oct 21, 2009 8:33:46 GMT -5
Cheers for that Eric! I was going to ask about acetyl-l-carnitine (ALCAR). Any good for parasympathetics and fast oxidisers?
I tried a protocol you mentioned a while back of 1.5 hours before training taking 3-5g ALCAR, and then shortly before training taking 3-5g tyrosine. This worked very well for me, in that it seemed to amplify the nootropic effect of the tyrosine.
I read in Harold Kristals book carnitine is good for parasympathetics and fast oxidisers because it assists their fat metabolism.
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Post by erictalmant on Oct 21, 2009 8:55:19 GMT -5
Cheers for that Eric! I was going to ask about acetyl-l-carnitine (ALCAR). Any good for parasympathetics and fast oxidisers? I tried a protocol you mentioned a while back of 1.5 hours before training taking 3-5g ALCAR, and then shortly before training taking 3-5g tyrosine. This worked very well for me, in that it seemed to amplify the nootropic effect of the tyrosine. I read in Harold Kristals book carnitine is good for parasympathetics and fast oxidisers because it assists their fat metabolism. Yes, ALCAR is good for both Para's and FO's! As you experienced with the ALCAR/tyrosine protocol you mentioned above. |
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Post by robwhite on Oct 26, 2009 5:37:17 GMT -5
Eric, do you have any information about herbs that can or cant be used for different metabolic imbalances?
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Post by erictalmant on Nov 11, 2009 15:28:04 GMT -5
Eric, do you have any information about herbs that can or cant be used for different metabolic imbalances? We (the MT community) does not have much on herbs; as they relate to the different types. I asked Bill about this about 2 years ago and if I recall correctly he said that there isn't much to go on. I will see if there is any sort of update; and if so then pass it along. |
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Post by robwhite on Nov 12, 2009 7:03:57 GMT -5
Although not exactly 'scientific', one posible way to determine herb use for different types is to use the 'Constitutional Type' FHC, in that the Ayurvedic and Chinese Medicine systems have very clear prescriptions of herbs for different constitutional types.
For example, in Ayurvedic medicine, typical herbs used to balance the Vata 'Dosha' (i.e constitutional type) are Ashwagandha, Asparagus racemosus, wild yam root, Mucuna pruriens,Cardomom seed, Long pepper, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 12:57:09 GMT -5
Eric,
What form of zinc is recommended for para's? thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 21:18:53 GMT -5
Eric, What form of zinc is recommended for para's? thanks. Hope you don't mind me taking a crack at this. First thing is first, why do you need to supplement with zinc and how do you know? If you are eating the right diet for your type and taking the right supplements then you should be covering your bases inless you have reasons for needing to supplement. The problem with taking individual mineral and vitamins is two fold: First, you might not need the specific mineral, perhaps you need a cofactor to help you use the mineral. Second, and I think in conjunction to the first, supplementing with individual minerals or vitamins can affect other minerals and vitamins which can push you even further out of balance. For example, if you increase your zinc above what you need, you may lower or decrease the ability to utalize calcium and vitamin D which, as a para you don't want to do. On the other hand, maybe you are having a problem utalizing zinc and continuing to take more zinc will not help. Perhaps the reason you are not utilizing the zinc is because you are not taking enough vitamin A, a cofactor for zinc. Assuming you do have a need for zinc, it seems that any chelated zinc will do. Ultralife seems to prefer Zinc from Ascorbate, Aspartate, Citrate, Orotate, Picolinate which all happen to be acidic. Hope I helped! |
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Post by robwhite on Nov 18, 2009 7:38:52 GMT -5
Assuming you do have a need for zinc, it seems that any chelated zinc will do. Ultralife seems to prefer Zinc from Ascorbate, Aspartate, Citrate, Orotate, Picolinate which all happen to be acidic. Hope I helped! This is a good point. Different chelators have different acidifying / alkalizing effects. |
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